01/14/2011
Egypt, et al...
At various times in the past I was very concerned about the possibility of large numbers of ''Iraqi (and Afghani) refugees'' fleeing to the US and Europe. I suspect there was a quiet policy to 'localize' those fleeing those hellholes.
In the case of Iraq, those 'refugees' would be coming to the West with a (not unjustified) chip on their shoulders. And that would have put the lie to both ''we are making a better life for them'' and ''we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here''. So Iraqis that fled had to go to Syria, Jordan and to a lesser extent Iran.
In the case of Afghanistan the reason was much more plain. In a word, dope. Really, what is the only thing Afghanistan produces? Narcotics. And Europe has more than enough trouble in that regard (as does the US). Afghanistan is a rotten, corrupt, dope-growing, illiterate (in any language) tribal anarchy. I know that there are many that don't particularly like this guy, but this is an important read (and I tend to dislike .pdf files).
Any ''refugees'' from Afghanistan would only be more welfare basket cases or in the narcotics trade or both.
And that is where Egypt comes in, because no matter how this current mess shakes out there will likely be a substantial number of refugees. And like Mr. Darby and Mr. Roach, I have little reason to be optimistic about the future there. And if the Egyptians thought times were tough before, things will get worse. Kiss tourism goodbye for quite some time, all they have left is cotton exports. I've never seen why 'Egyptian cotton' is supposedly so great, but SWPL's consider it premium. To me cotton is cotton, it's either fabric, white balls of fluff or cooking oil. I'd just as soon it was grown in the US as anywhere else.
Though I suspect the Camp David accords that resulted in a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel is likely toast. And for both sides if they want us to broker a new peace deal with them, fine. But otherwise, let the two nations sort their own issues out. And no more money for either one of them. Tell 'em we're broke, it's the truth.
UPDATE: Vox Day has also added his two cents worth:
BTW, Yes, that link in his blogroll is to my old blog. The odds of getting him to update it are pretty slim. It's rare when he does...
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In the case of Iraq, those 'refugees' would be coming to the West with a (not unjustified) chip on their shoulders. And that would have put the lie to both ''we are making a better life for them'' and ''we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here''. So Iraqis that fled had to go to Syria, Jordan and to a lesser extent Iran.
In the case of Afghanistan the reason was much more plain. In a word, dope. Really, what is the only thing Afghanistan produces? Narcotics. And Europe has more than enough trouble in that regard (as does the US). Afghanistan is a rotten, corrupt, dope-growing, illiterate (in any language) tribal anarchy. I know that there are many that don't particularly like this guy, but this is an important read (and I tend to dislike .pdf files).
Any ''refugees'' from Afghanistan would only be more welfare basket cases or in the narcotics trade or both.
And that is where Egypt comes in, because no matter how this current mess shakes out there will likely be a substantial number of refugees. And like Mr. Darby and Mr. Roach, I have little reason to be optimistic about the future there. And if the Egyptians thought times were tough before, things will get worse. Kiss tourism goodbye for quite some time, all they have left is cotton exports. I've never seen why 'Egyptian cotton' is supposedly so great, but SWPL's consider it premium. To me cotton is cotton, it's either fabric, white balls of fluff or cooking oil. I'd just as soon it was grown in the US as anywhere else.
Though I suspect the Camp David accords that resulted in a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel is likely toast. And for both sides if they want us to broker a new peace deal with them, fine. But otherwise, let the two nations sort their own issues out. And no more money for either one of them. Tell 'em we're broke, it's the truth.
UPDATE: Vox Day has also added his two cents worth:
"However, this excitement is every bit as ill-conceived as the neoconservative adventures that brought democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan. And seeing that Egypt lacks a military occupying force, it is unlikely that the establishment of a democratic government in Cairo will end as well as the foundation of the corrupt puppet regimes in Baghdad and Kabul have to date."Read the whole thing here (or part of it here).
BTW, Yes, that link in his blogroll is to my old blog. The odds of getting him to update it are pretty slim. It's rare when he does...
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YIH - I share the same concerns about the likely flood of 'refugees'. It's odd, isn't it, that 'refugees' at one time were considered temporary; they were expected to go back home to their troubled countries when things calmed down. But now it seems to be a permanent thing.
I agree that any intervention by us would be a mistake. And yes, we should stop the flow of money that was part of that 'peace accord', where we agreed to give them large sums of money on an ongoing basis. It's crazy.
Funny you mention Egyptian cotton; a friend and I were just talking about it. It's supposed to have a longer fiber and thus make superior cotton fabric or something.
I wondered too about why we seem to grow so little cotton in this country now; I was asking my uncle where all the cottonfields had gone that used to be in Texas. It seems we grow very little compared to the old days. It's all part of 'globalizing' I guess.
-VA
I agree that any intervention by us would be a mistake. And yes, we should stop the flow of money that was part of that 'peace accord', where we agreed to give them large sums of money on an ongoing basis. It's crazy.
Funny you mention Egyptian cotton; a friend and I were just talking about it. It's supposed to have a longer fiber and thus make superior cotton fabric or something.
I wondered too about why we seem to grow so little cotton in this country now; I was asking my uncle where all the cottonfields had gone that used to be in Texas. It seems we grow very little compared to the old days. It's all part of 'globalizing' I guess.
-VA
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